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May 21, 2016 10:19 pm  #1


Hollywood Lip Curl vs Real Lip Curl

I've talked in the past about actresses crying in movies and its reflection on their crying in real life. I'm mostly interested to know whether or not the lip curlers on cue are also lip curlers in real life. I like to think that most actresses actually emote in their crying scenes, thus bringing out an expression that is similar to their real life sobbing expressions.

There's a particular way that lip curling actresses seem to sob in movies that I like to call the "Hollywood Lip Curl". This is where they clench their teeth together, bottom lip stuck out, and heaving with husky sobs that sort of go "huh-huh-huh-huh-huh". Take a look at the Julianne Moore crying compilation video to see what I mean. Based on my observations, this way of crying is rare in lip curling women IRL. When in full sob mode women usually have their teeth apart, and the crying comes out in more of a wail than the husky sounds the actresses make. There are plenty of exceptions, of course. There are also plenty of exceptions from the hollywood lip curl among actresses but I'd say most of them does it like this. For a long time I thought this was too removed from reality, too formulaic, and therefore the emotions are not real?

More recently I think I've figured out the secret. Maybe the actual actors on this board can correct me on this. My theory is that the director wants you to cry without making too much noise, especially on the case where dialogue is being said over the crying. So the actress might be displaying true emotions, but clenching her teeth and crying huskily to make it more silent. This makes sense to me, anyway. Maybe not so formulaic after all.

Like I said, I like to believe that an actress who lip curls during a scene is a lip curler in real life. Most of the on cue lip curlers have the lip and chin shape that I think are common among lip curlers (see the thread about me being anal and weirdly specific). I know about 7 actresses who lip curl in real life as well as during acting. I'm sure plenty of actors out there cry fake. Especially if the role is small, made for TV, and demands a short notice. But I think lead actresses, especially in movies, might actually be emoting genuinely. Or maybe it's wishful thinking on my part.
 


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May 22, 2016 2:35 am  #2


Re: Hollywood Lip Curl vs Real Lip Curl

Well, I may not be a movie star per say but I'm an actress who lives in Hollywood! (Or thereabouts, won't get too specific here.) That kind of makes me a Hollywood actress, right? Lol.

I am not a lip curler. I don't know which face shapes you have observed cause lip curling, but I have a pretty small, pointed chin and lips that aren't particularly full. Naturally, I am actually the dreaded "smiley crier," even when sad I make a face that resembles smiling while I cry.

Anyway, your theory is very correct when it comes to theater/play acting. On stage, you can't "lose it" too badly or the audience will not be able to understand you through your sobs. This goes double for musicals. So you need to hold back, breath carefully, and keep careful control of your voice. This can result in the kind of sobbing you described.

My experience is that screen acting is a lot more lenient here. However, some directors can be annoyingly particular about everything: the way you enunciate each word, the way you move your body, and yes, even the way you cry. I have been told to sob or make faces in a way that is not natural to me. I do not like directors like this because I feel like they don't let me do my job. Like, I might cry slightly differently as a certain character than I would as myself IRL, but I think that is up to me to decide as the actress. And some things, like lip curling or husky-sounding sobs, are so unnatural to my body and my way of expressing emotion that having to do them takes me out of character and messes me up. But maybe this is something that I need to work on, too.

My experience is that most actors in larger parts/higher quality productions are showing real emotion. The degree of that can vary, but there is always something real there.

Just my two cents. I got cast in something new this summer and there is a monologue in which my character isn't directed to cry but is then described as "wiping her eyes" afterward. I'm already thinking about how to do it. I will probably just turn the tears on without asking, lol.

 

May 22, 2016 5:23 pm  #3


Re: Hollywood Lip Curl vs Real Lip Curl

Another question for you Super-Secret being an actress. I was always wondering how much a director directs his actors when they have to cry? So if you read a script and then there is written "She/he starts to cry", is it up to you as an actress how you will do the crying? or do you discuss it beforehand and rehearse it? 

 

May 22, 2016 6:02 pm  #4


Re: Hollywood Lip Curl vs Real Lip Curl

@Super-Secret:

Thanks for the info! Some more questions for you, then. Are your crying expressions on set usually similar to your crying in real life? By this I mean the type of crying you're doing. For example, if you're sobbing in a scene, would it be close to your sobbing in real life? Or is it usually custom made for the scene? Most people don't notice the "lip curl" thing, but have you come across actors who lip curl on cue AND lip curl in real life? 

Based on your experience, if an actor was to cry for real in a scene, how might it go? And do they need a few minutes afterwards to switch off? Finally, are you aware any ways to tell the difference between real and fake crying? I'm guessing this is difficult. I've actually seen (on TV) an actress who cried quite convincingly, but it turned out she was using those tear inducer things as a short cut.
 


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