tearhunter wrote:

Interesting observations TorNorth - the immeditate thought that came to mind when relating this to my wife's crying was that only the talking while crying comes into play.

Most of my wife's crying (definitely when she is not talking) has no chin/mouth movement at all. She is very much a tears girl - so for the first set of observations I'm assuming no talking so one the first point applies.

She never (or at least very rarely) covers her face in any way - this includes eyes and mouth and covers her full range of crying. If she is sobbing and the BLT is present you will see it, if she is crying hard and her chin/lip is trembling you will see it. If she is crying softly you will see tears roll down her cheeks unchecked. She will sometimes wipe tears away from her face (hardly ever directly from her eyes) but more often than not they are left to run down her neck or drip off her chin/nose. This is generally true even when she is crying infront of others, not just infront of me and or when she is alone.

I've never seen her bite her lip either before she starts crying or during.

Talking even at lower intensities bring out a bit of chin/lip movement. Talking tends to automatically increase the intensity. She's gone from slight wet eyes to full blown tears in seconds just because she has started talking. Her voice is always at least emotional and wobbly. If she is talking and crying her mouth will distort a bit first, her mouth opens and her breathing become more ragged and if the intensity increases can quickly turn into sobbing. At full blown sobbing stage her voice falters completely and she cannot form words - her chin/lip will probably start to tremble uncontrollably.

If the intensity increases further as described in previous post the BLT appears - it's like she completely gives in and her body takes over - she has not control at all - very raw indeed. As I've mentioned before also very rare.

Does this make my wife's crying somewhat complex?

You wife seems to be following the basic pattern of a non-lip curler. If her chin and lip trembled while her mouth was open and she wasn't trying to talk, that would be indicative of a lip curler - but as you've described it happens when she's talking. Same goes for the lip curl. Also, not covering her face is yet another sign. It's good that she doesn't wipe her eyes directly though. I'm sure that's how you like it and I quite like it too.

TorNorth wrote:

I've been turned on just by your description Why was she crying?

She was playing with my 1-year-old nephew and pulled him up by the arm a little too hard. He started crying from pain and she started crying from panic I guess. It was nursemaid's elbow and I corrected it pretty easily but she kept sobbing for about a minute while hugging the kid. Her cheek was smooshed up against the top of his head, so the insane lip curl was distorted to the left a little.

I don't remember the drunken obs that well. Basically the girl somehow managed to drop her cell phone in the toilet and was sitting on the bathroom floor sobbing about it. Head down, loud sobs and an absurdly perfect stream of tears down both cheeks, dropping off her chin and onto her thighs. There's no way she would have cried like that had she been sober. Sorry I don't remember much about her lips other than her mouth was open and she was wearing too much lip gloss.

Last edited by truffle (May 2, 2014 9:21 pm)

Ah, right. When you previously said "pulled back" I assumed it was pulled back into the mouth in an exaggerated way like some lip curling is done.

What you're describing, maybe we can call it the "vanilla lip" crying since it's basically what the average non-lip curler does.

I'd basically call your boyfriend a lip curler (because of the all-important chin wrinkle), he just doesn't do it very prominently.
 

truffle wrote:

Tornorth your latest Crying Diary post made me think of another lip-curling trigger. Hugging people. If someone is crying and gets a hug, they're likely to do a lip curl during the hug and shortly after. I even tried it yesterday and it worked.

I can see that. People cry harder when hugged. The only trouble is they bury their face. But you ought to give us more detail on your experience yesterday

That's hardly surprising. Both lips would push each other out in that scenario to create a full-lipped look. Small mouth and thin lips are good signs of being a lip curler. Though if she did it with an open mouth then we could be certain. Sounds pretty, though. East Asians shed a crap load of tears. Was she attractive?